It appears the Stadia Taskforce is asking for community opinion..
http://www.majorstadiataskforce.com....aspx?MenuID=27
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It appears the Stadia Taskforce is asking for community opinion..
http://www.majorstadiataskforce.com....aspx?MenuID=27
Good find, Gerry!
Be sure to check out the submissions - interetsing figures in RUgbyWA submission!
http://www.majorstadiataskforce.com.....aspx?MenuID=7
Yes thanks heaps for that Gerry!
EXCELLENT Presentation by Rugby WA.................
Maybe Burke and Grill can lobby for the stadium?
Just about sounds like a name of a pub!
done mine! cheers TG!
I've been looking to see if there was a Task Force site but couldn't find one. Good work Gerry.
Rugby WA presentation is excellent! Subiaco council presentation is extremely average and they are really clutching at straws.
Interesting to see that the AFL dudes aren't prepared to publish their presentation...if you were a synical person you would read a lot into that. I actually think it is outrageous as they are asking for public money. They never fail to meet my expectations.:rolleyes:
No presentation from Packer I see, that would be a good one to see I reckon. I guess we'll never get to see it though as they are not asking for public money.
I have just requested a copy of The Town Of Vincent presentation but the CEO is going to phone me back on that. It's public property, so in theory I should be able to get my hands on it.
Just realised that the Stadia Task Force is based in the Town of Vincent Council buildings.
Ditto & Ditto on the first two TEFQuote:
Originally Posted by The EnForcer
I have been wondering about the third. Wasn't sure if Packer was willing to foot the entire bill or what. A cynic might also look that particular gift horse well in the mouth.
In terms of location, I think the most telling from Rugby WA's presentation is the map of "Where our Members Live".
The corridor of Members down the rail from Perth City to Mosman Park is pretty clear and the stats say that 59% are either Central Perth or Western Suburbs.
It certainly blows Cockburn out of the water as an option for Rugby anyway!
Righto, now I've seen some actual forecast figures from RWA I'm even more stumped!
RWA state that in WA there is:
- 924,000 “Interested in Rugby” (or "Convertible")
- 137,000 would “Definitely attend Super 14 Rugby” ("Committed")
- 20,000 Members ("Core Supporters")
- That 99% of existing Members would renew or upgrade if given a rectangular venue.
- And that there track record at estimating public response is extremely poor (4k estimated, 20k actual).
Why on Earth are the selling us down the river saying their PREFERENCE is for a 35k stadium, they must be insane!
It might be a workable option and it might be what we will end up with but to state it as a preference is to again underestimate the codes potential and lock in an inferior option.
Yes it reads well, I am just really disappointed with RWA for going too low.
They (RugbyWA) are stuck between what we all want, a huge stadium to sit 60 thousand members and hold world events, and what we can get in the short term without loosing too many members who are sick of the delays, infighting and the prospect of getting something we don't really won't no closer than 2010.
That's my summary of the whole shit heap!
I think 35K is spot on for a dedicated rectangular stadium. Bigger than that and we'll have to settle for an oval with convertible seating, which will probably be an abomination.
35K Rectangular stadium + you beaut 60K+ major stadium which can be converted for the BIG rectangular games.
I agree with you Burgs but at the end of the day if we get a 35k seater stadium then I will be over the moon. I'm sure these guys have done there sums and are experienced enough to shoot for the realistic target based on a financial model that they can honestly sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burgs
Maybe they'd've been better doing a breakdown by marginal seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burgs
Wonder how they might feel about downgrades though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Burgs
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Can't help but wonder if the message being sent is not the message being received. Statements like:
“We have surveyed our members and 59% of them overall – and 68% of the Gold category – expressed dissatisfaction with the seating at Subiaco Oval,”
“Our membership is down from 21,000 to 17,000 in just a year, and half of those who did not renew cited Subiaco Oval as the reason.”
may well sound to the government like:
"if we drag our feet for a while longer, MES will be adequate as it is without the expense of an upgrade"
I'm not really arguing for the 60k to be a rectangular ground though, that's the trouble people always assume the extremes of the debate.
In my mind from what I have been reading and seeing about population growth we should be looking to up the 30-35k that we will probably get (I will be amazed if it is actually 35k at the end of the day) to around the 40-45k mark.
This allows for plenty of growth for walk up spectators, would ensure that the majority of (if not all) Members have sideline seating and still allows for the likes of this years International (v Fiji) to be held in a full house.
I'm not arguing for something massive, just allow for growth over the next 15-20 years so we don't get the same situation as the Eagles have found themselves with Members with a huge waiting list.
Don't forget that these are the same experienced number crunchers that thought they would be going well to get 4,000 Members TEF :SQuote:
Originally Posted by The EnForcer
I hear exactly what you are saying but from my experiences in the business sector trying to persuade people to spend money now based on forecast growth figures beyond 5 years is virtually impossible. I suspect that in the world of politics it is even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burgs
From last nights news though:
"New figures from the Bureau of Statistics show Western Australia was one of the leading growth states in 2005-2006.
Last year, the city of Perth had the fastest population growth of any inner city area in Australia with an increase of 12.4 per cent.
In the outer suburbs, Wanneroo recorded the largest population increase for a suburban area.
The northern Perth suburb increased its population by more than 7,900."
I wonder where they all came from and what sports they follow. Maybe the tack is to tell the government that any scrimping will be interpreted as the government not being confident in the continued growth in the state.
Well you can be sure they aren't all Victorians, South Australians and Tasmanians anyway...