What do you think of this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Abavj16hg
Could this change the structure of the game as we know it? Or is it easily remedied by picking'n'driving straight over the middle?
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What do you think of this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Abavj16hg
Could this change the structure of the game as we know it? Or is it easily remedied by picking'n'driving straight over the middle?
Chiefs did it a couple of years ago.
http://www.the42.ie/analysis-chiefs-...13507-Mar2015/
I believe that loophole needs to be removed ASAP. Pick n drive could work but if your backline is your strength they wont see much of the ball. I find that tactic used by the Italians to be against the spirit of the game and makes the game look very unstructured.
p.s I am not English or support them in anyways!
As pointed out on Fox last night, England's problem - especially under Jones, is that THEY are too structured. An opposition coach could just adjust. High paced pick and drive, break them up the middle and see if the defence can adjust as quickly. I would not like to see the law changed to something where one player over the ball is called a ruck.
I disagree Shasta, can't you see all the Italians just behind the tackle area, comes to pretty much the same as a normal ruck and hence the pick and drive would be as useful as it is under normal circumstances.
It is hard enough for teams to make viewers happy by scoring tries through beautiful running rugby, now let's get bored watching that type of shi*t.
World rugby is trying to expand the game and not lose people who would be very unhappy to watch team play like Italy did.
Making the laws complex will drive people away ... I completely disagree, everyone now knows the tactic so can devise all manners of strategies to employ, diffuse and defend. It may bring a return to the Maul expertise but at this stage of development, may well result in some serious training in off loads.
It's a new paradigm to the game so let's get on with it. Comments of negativity like the brain snap of Matt Dawson drive players and spectators away, not clever tactics ... no wonder he went into TV and coaching !
There's a counterproductive mentality with rugby that whenever there is something we don't like, they throw MORE laws at it. That's why rugby is such a mess to understand. Let's just see how it plays out.
Seriously would you consider closing that loophole as being a new rule?
I really hope that this wont be adopted by a lot of teams now and I remain convinced that there are no easy ways to counter such tactics.
If you keep picking up and driving and risk knocking the ball on, and also risk walking all over your own players and potentially injure them!
if they make a change, someone will think of a way to exploit that anyway.
where does it end?
It worked for the Chiefs for about three weeks, then the opposition teams became aware of it and started to use it to their advantage.
The law talks about players from either team in contact over the ball on the floor.
r and ran it forward, catching half the
Some teams actively engaged the nearest Chiefs player into a ruck and then threw the ball directly at one of the players who had been put offside by that action, the player was either aware enough to know he needed to get out of the way and be behind the play, or not, giving away a penalty.
Other teams simply picked the ball up from any side of the tackled player and
I don't see how it is any different than when teams started standing off the line-out and then running around the maul. That was going to be the end of rugby too, but now it is just a recognised tactic and the maul set-up is better for it. Maybe the authorities would do better to recognise that it is a response to the blind eye turned to illegal behaviours and the attacking side removing the contest at the breakdown.
I watched the game and Ref Poite said if the saw any English player pulling any of the Italians in to the tackle to create a ruck he would penalise them.
Ventner and O Shea ran the ploy past the ref pre game
OK, so walk over the ball, pick it up from between your legs and start a maul.
Pick n drive straight at the smallest weedy back that is in front of you.
Not too hard to defeat the tactic if you can think on your feet, remember, the whole idea of the tactic is to put half your team in front of the ball to prepare for the pass. The solution is to not pass and then they all have to turn and chase.
Englands biggest problem was that they didnt know how to react to it.
The modern Rugby player has no knowledge of the laws of the game - but will whinge to a Referee every change they get.
If there are 6 players mingled in to the back line - good, That means there are 6 holes in the defensive pattern to exploit.
Eddie Jones is whinging about it publicly - but I can bet he is thinking about the next time someone pulls the same play his team has a response for it.
Exile you forget that backline players need time and space to think and react... the fact that there are 6 opposition players cramping their style would've short circuited their brains :sarcastic:
I was actually thinking that you pick it up, make contact, and transfer it back. I think that would be a great response to this tactic, easy to begin when half their team is in front of the footy, and you have the added advantage of their forwards joining the maul from the sides when trying to defend it.
If you don't have much razzle dazzle you can still attack it, you just need to be able to think on your feet
The ball carrier doesn't define the ruck/ maul but the next players do ... if they pick n go, make contact then you've created nothing. You need a 3rd player to create a maul or a team mate to keep contact with the opposition on their feet to create a ruck.
The Italians let England players go to ground on their own with no further contact ... no ruck, not even a tackle in some cases. Not being held means England could get right back up & keep going until the D commit fully to a tackle.
As soon as there's a valid ruck 2m further on all the oppo are then offside and have to retreat ... or they should be liable to 11.9 Loitering ! That's how ref's can manage it.
When do the GMG come out for 2017 ?
If you pick 'n' go with a teammate on your hip, and make contact with the opposition whilst maintaining your feet it becomes a maul. There's no time specified in the law, but the ref will usually wait a few seconds before calling it a maul. If the whole assembly goes to ground it's a tackle, if the defender and the attacker maintain their feet (and maintain contact) it's a ruck.
THerefore the obvious tactic is to pick the ball up and run at somebody. I'f you're a speedy back, you'll find somebody you can beat one on one, If you're a forward, get somebody on your hip who maintains their feet and contact regardless of what you do. THat teammate can pick and drive if you haven't managed to create a ruck or a maul.
Repeat until you run out of players or until an offside line is created. I guarantee since you are moving forward that they will run out of players before you do.