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    Mortlock says it's too late to sack Robbie Deans with Lions tour looming

    AAP November 14, 2012 2:06PM

    Former Wallabies skipper Stirling Mortlock says it's too late to sack embattled Test rugby coach Robbie Deans with the British and Irish Lions tour looming next year.

    The Wallabies were thrashed by France 33-6 in their opening match of a four-Test European tour which Mortlock described as "tough'' viewing". They next face England at their Twickenham fortress in what could be another bloodbath. The retired Mortlock, who was in Geelong to announce the Melbourne Rebels' Super Rugby pre-season match there in February against the Hurricanes, said if the Australian Rugby Union (ARU) wanted to replace Deans, they should have already done it.

    Deans overtook Bob Dwyer as the most-capped Wallabies coach with the French game (68 Tests) and signed a two-year extension before the 2011 World Cup. But his win-loss record can't be ignored - he's only managed to steer the side to 39 wins. "I think it's extremely difficult when you take into consideration the Lions - which is the biggest thing for Australian rugby outside of the World Cup - is happening three-quarters of the way through the Super Rugby season next year," Mortlock said of the three-Test series in June-July.

    "The reality of initiating something like that (sacking him), it would be pretty detrimental to the team and to anything we're trying to build toward the Lions. I really don't see it happening because it would be really difficult to start from scratch when the next Test match they play after this tour will be against the Lions." Mortlock sympathised with the injury crisis this year that hit the Australian side and said their effort couldn't be questioned.

    "When you have that many injuries and you're constantly having to rotate and turn over your playing group, first and foremost, it's going to be very difficult to have consistency in your performances."
    However, he believed there was more to the losses and lack of tries. With the Wallabies' failure to score a try in Paris, they become the first Australian side in the professional era to go consecutive games without crossing, and the first of all Aussie sides since 1979. "We're trying to gain momentum by winning the game-line battle but, at times, we don't even get that right so then we don't get the opportunity to play a bit more expansive rugby. "And sometimes when you do do that without getting that game-line, then it's very easy to defend so the balance is out of whack from what I'm seeing." He said the Australians needed to first win the set-piece and the game-line contests.
    "If we can do that, I've got no doubt the Australian attacking flair can come back straight away."

    Quite a good advert at the end of this clip promoting the Lion's tour.

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    so we rather keep on struggling than look for a solution

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    Sounds about the size of it. Was always going to be the case anyway

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    Well if we lose to the Lions the excuse will be " we didn't have time to sack the coach".
    I'm starting to think they would be better of not getting on the coach!

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    On Sunday I predicted that the media will come out and talk about Robbie not losing another test on the tour, when all year the rhetoric has been deans needs a great season to save his job.

    At this point we can't do any worse. I'll put my hand up, blind Freddie could prepare a better team than this one!

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    C'mon the

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    nah what will happen is we get flogged during the northen hempishere tour (NO TIME TO SACK DEANS)

    then we get flogged against the Lions (NO TIME TO SACK DEANS, RWC is just around the corner)

    CAN HERE IT ALREADY !!!

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    I would rather we get flogged by the Lions with a new coach than stick with Deans and get flogged. Seriously they have to do something at the end of the Spring Tour!! Its time for a change....

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    How many more games are there? Eng, Ire Wales?

    I think if we can get 2/3 then keep Deans, 1/3 then send him back across the Tasman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zed View Post
    How many more games are there? Eng, Ire Wales?

    I think if we can get 2/3 then keep Deans, 1/3 then send him back across the Tasman.
    Eng, Italy and Wales. I've got my "you can do eeeet" hat on today so I'm backing a win against Italy and Wales!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Eng, Italy and Wales. I've got my "you can do eeeet" hat on today so I'm backing a win against Italy and Wales!
    Your not betting your mortgage on it though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNOB View Post
    Your not betting your mortgage on it though?
    Errrr, no!

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    Each time Deans has faced the chop, the team has hauled his ass out of the fire:
    Samoa - ABs Brisvegas
    Ireland RWC - Boks RWC
    ABs RWC - Wales RWC
    Scotland Brisvegas - Wales x3
    ABs scoreless - Boks Perth
    Boks Joburg - Pumas Rosario

    This is truly an unbelievable scenario of events.

    Methinks the cycle is about to be broken though. The final nail will be dispirited Wales beating us.

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    It is never too late to sack somebody....

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    You know, I wonder if we could do with someone who is a specialist at getting good players to lift their own individual performances? Someone who is a a good individual man-manager. I'm thinking of someone in the mold of a Bob Dwyer type of coach. Other than Bob himself, is there anyone in Australian rugby?

    I wonder if we could have someone like David Nucifora as an overall tactician/coach, with Bob as a man-manager type of coach. At least it might lessen the chances of a player revolt against Nucifora happening. I also think some input from Rod Kafer would be worthwhile.

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    Japan and the Pacific Islands for Aussie Super 9's!

    Let's have one of these in WA! Click this link: Saitama Super Arena - New Perth Stadium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chibi View Post
    ...I wonder if we could have someone like David Nucifora as an overall tactician/coach
    chibi, this is where your cunning plan unravels.

    There is a body of thought that most of the wallabies issues actually stem from Nucifora being involved. He has totally frakked up every team he has been associated, Brumbies, Blues, U20s, Wallabies.

    His efforts coaching the U20s was a shambolic destabilising decacle. The guy has to be drummed out of the ARU at any level.

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