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Crazy saffas
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Can’t wait to see the ozzie reaction to this
Comment by nads : July 28, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
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lets hope we see some backline creativity!! alister has been working hard though so hopefully jake will give him the next 3 months off
Comment by keepin_it_real : July 28, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
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Brilliant move. Even if its just to infuriate the Aussies.
Comment by BULLET : July 28, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
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If I was Jake I’d be sending a box of diapers and a pacifier over to O’Neil. Can u imagine how much Jones’s wife hates us Saffers, having to deal with his nightly tantrums and tiffs lately.
Comment by Johannes Expatinus : July 28, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
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#2
You can replace allister allstar with a parrot and the Bok backline will be less predictable.
Comment by Johnny7 : July 28, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
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Jakes it seems need all this consulting because his own assistants are inept. If I was Gert, and a Rassie or Eddie gets asked to help, I’d probably get the message, and either shape up or ship out.
Comment by Johannes Expatinus : July 28, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
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i dont think that having eddie will necessarily help the boks against the wallabies. aus would probably be more hyped up and motivated and this would probably nullify any bok insider advantage. it would be amusing though to hear jones questioning the legality of the wallabie scrum and hearing him say that after spending time in the cape he isnt sure the wallabie props are good enough to even play for stellenbosch
Comment by keepin_it_real : July 28, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
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Yay, now the aussies can do what they do best… WHINE !
Its a professional game, you dont hear us crying about rattlebones or vickerman do you?
Get on with it. Maybe someone should tell them aussies its not always about them, and maybe, just maybe theres a small significant possibility that Jones is here to help the boks prepare, and not teach us the aussie game.
We know exactly how the aussies play anyhow, so what the hells the difference?
Comment by Jake_White : July 28, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
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That’s great news, his recent coaching record with the Reds was superb.
Comment by NZINCHINA : July 28, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
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So Judas Jones now gets his 30 pieces of silver from the SARU. And this seems to give joy to the muppits of Ig.co.
May the kiss of traitor, give love you so desire.
Comment by cane : July 28, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
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With Jones you bound to lose something but since you have nothing to lose you got nothing to lose!
Comment by wallabie. : July 28, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
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#6 I would concur with your opinion under general rather than singling out one guy (allister ) like its done in #5. This seems to be saffas pastime hobby at the moment.
Comment by 16 inch black : July 28, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
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I dont think anoyone could have saved the reds this season, they were bound for the wooden spoon before the season even started.
The guy still has a great rugby brain me thinks.
And i dont think he’s here to change anything, its more like a something looked wrong in that move, lets tweak something here, tighten a bolt there…
Of coz he will get flak for doing it, say what we want we would give any South African coach serious crap if they had to help the aussies or kiwis ahead of the WC.
Unless it was Streauli or Putt. We give them to Aus for free with pleasure… use their knowledge.
The games professional now, if you are offered a cash for your knowledge to consult somewhere, of course you will take it. And why should jones be loyal to Aus anyhow, they have been giving him crap for a long time now.
Comment by Jake_White : July 28, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
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Not a bad idea - I trust this means that JW has finally accepted that the Boks urgently need to improve dramatically on backline attacking strategies - particularly with the aim of achieving backline based penetration of flatline defensive systems!
The Aussies are probably the best exponents of such strategies around - especially since they exploit midfield weaknesses and outside spaces so well.
However their strategy is normally based upon a system of “dummy” runners and switchback passing. I hope that is not too foreign for our midfield capabilities - redoubtable as that may have the potential to be!
I personally believe that it would suit SA’s large and powerful backline runners better to utilise a more straightforward approach of moving the ball rapidly out wide and then changing the angles of attack to cut back to the opposition’s midfield (but studiously avoiding the inside channels close to the forward’s defensive positions).
That would deliver a much more adventurous and yet still safety-first backline initiated offensive strategy and at the same time suit the fast loose forwards of the Boks.
In this way the Boks could run the ball wide and then feed back to the forwards in an unusual position just beyond the oppositions second channel. Thence to recycle and either drive up a for a distance before switching to another outside-in attack OR to go wide again immediately.
A repeat of this outside-in strategy carried over two or three cycles (five to six phases) is bound to pull any oppositions defensive system apart and can be used (as most recently proven by the Aussies) to exploit NZ current midfield inadequacies.
Comment by cyberscamp : July 28, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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Jakey,
The Ozzies will whine yes. But if the boot was on the other foot so would you Saffas.
Comment by cane : July 28, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
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#11 lol, I smell sour grapes in the air! I was never a great fan of Eddie but you cannot honestly question the guy’s quality as a coach. Anyways, you are the same guys that got rid of Nucifora. Connoly is not half the coach that Nucifora or Jones is. I guess , you are the only ones that do not see that.
Comment by 16 inch black : July 28, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
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cane i would rather kiss this traitor than a kiwi chick,bunch of ugly shazza’s they are.
Comment by Fern : July 28, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
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#15 but its not, so whats your point? we therefore cannot argue about what has’nt happened , ca’nt we?
Comment by 16 inch black : July 28, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
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If Jake is having to get in outsidee help now it means he has no clue what his tactic is going to be for thye WC.
I am beginning to believe that the reason why Jake left his first team is for 2 reasons..
1 Psychological
2. The WC game plan was played in the home games and the bo0ks failed so he put his 2 nd team in to play the same game plan and see how it faired without doing damage to the firsts.
Problem is he needs help as he has no clue….in steps Jones another one who has no clue.
Comment by wallabie. : July 28, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
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16
Eddie is crap…..a whole lot worse than Connolly…conolly has made the wallabies competitive again.
Comment by wallabie. : July 28, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
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15. yip. like i said… Anyone who helps anyone else is gonna get flak now…
But, should that stop someone who is offered money for it?
Im sure Jones needs to earn a paycheck still, doubt he has millions in the bank that he lives off.
14. - Agreed, this would play very nicely with having some of the paciest wings around,
I would spend time on Habana though, he needs to learn to sidestep with his leg out wide, he hurt his knee because he tried to sidey with a straight leg…. no knees can handle that at pace.
But ya, when you got someone like habana, your first objective should be to get the ball out wide as quickly as possible.
The aussies are now playing rush defence, if we skip wide really quick (risk of intercept) centres would need to be aware of the move and cover for intercepts, ball goes from 10. skips 12,13 straight to 11. Habana with space will always be danger.
Let that play work once or twice, and the opposition is forced to hang a wing or fullback wide, and then you have opened a space in the middle with a guy like de villiers… you’re winning the mental battle.
Comment by Jake_White : July 28, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
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#14 I support the Boks and do not mean to burst your bubble but i think we also need to worry about our pack because they have a tendency of underperfoming against the bigger sides. So , lets not put too much emphasis on backline play because that would all be useless if they do’nt fire at the WC. All that backline work would be in vain.
Why people are less critical of Gert Smal or Balie Swart as forward coaches and specialists is beyond me. No country have more resources that we do at the forward , yet we do not decimate everyone. Strange indeed! Maybe we need consultants from the Pumas to assists in this area. Thats a thought!
Comment by 16 inch black : July 28, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
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16 inch,
True……..Your point is difficult to argue with, so……….so I won’t.(well not with you anyway).
Comment by cane : July 28, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
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stodders, zulushark, durbstormer, cab, skopskiet, even rugby911, and all the others who have been so vociferous about this unnecessary weakness in the Bok strategy dare all of us now hope that this will finally be addressed and is there enough time and particularly match-time to entrench and embed a bit of variation into the Bok backline?
I certainly hope so and this gives me renewed hope for a truly realistic tilt at that World Cup - not just the fact that Jones is there - but because it seems to indicate that JW has finally caught on to what has been so glaringly evident (hyperbole intended!)
Comment by cyberscamp : July 28, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
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Wallabie, you never have anything positive to contribute do you?
DO you cry while you masturbate to waltzing matilda?
Anyhow, Connolly is a good coach, but you should never have dropped jones. It was not his fault that the aussies were losing. remember the injury list?
in steps conolly, gets all his players back and hes the hero?
bah, thats seriously one eyed.
If you really think we have no clue… wait for the WC, I promise we are gonna win it.
Remember this day…