i'd like to give lawrence a penalty for foul play myself.
Ohhhh Yeahhhh ESPECIALLY the 'Tahs!Originally Posted by gotheforce
C'mon the
Thats cos your hairs on the line GIGS
don't worry though, i think it's safe bet
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What no excuses yet Chook?
I'd have though Link would've taught you better, you need to start pulling the excuses out of the bag a couple of weeks before the game so people actually believe you on the big day!
C'mon the
dont mean to bring up that blunder by lawrence again, but everywhere i look and read, everyone seems to agree its a terrible mistake. Even former wallabies, commentators, coaches and editors alike all have been saying its a bad mistake.
And watching it again, i didnt think it classified as a tackle. In fact, i likened it more to an ankle tap, a very big ankle tap. But even before spanners got onto the ground, the tackelr had already let go. And i think we're allowed to wriggle and reach out if we're ankle tap arent we? cos if not, i think WA refs need to get their games on then, cos they made about 15 bad mistakes in first grade alone last year.
You're probably right GTF, the nub of the question is whether Spanner was considered to be tackled or not. Unfortunately this is more of a judgement call isn't it? Yo can't really compare one ref to another in this regard, it's more about whether Lawrence makes differing calls in similar situations.
C'mon the
I'm confused - when I read Ecky's post I understood that the problem was that Stanners was on the ground - and that his choices were
a: Get up on his feet and go forward or
b: Pass the ball back
The try was denied because he was not on his feet when he grounded the ball on the good side of the line - Help I'm confused again
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You are allowed to reach out and pass/place/roll the ball, provided it is immediate. If you wriggle then it's obviously not immediately doing something with the ball. If you're ankle tapped then just get up again! Why wriggle/roll/squirm? Stand up son - rugby's much better when played on your feet.
......and I can't speak for my colleagues but I know my game's on and look forward to penalising you throughout the season!
Well.............he didn't get up on his feet, did he? That was (a) above. He had to get up off the deck. He didn't.
but i think in spanner's case, he didnt have time to get up.I think in the ref's case, you guys want to be over the line on your feet watching us put the ball down. In the player's view, we just want to dot the ball down on the white line, whether on our feet or not.
ill get you to go to the TMO if it ever happens to me. =)
and i understand the refs union is taking a hard stance on swearing in first grade games as well as chatting with the refs this year arent they?!
I'll make sure i save my comments for after the game on this site. haha.
I think that the point I was trying to make is that some refs might interpret Spanners actions differently. I have seen similar tries awarded, but don't believe that means this ref is wrong to have denied the try. Lawrence ruled correctly according to law assuming a couple of interpretation calls, a Was Spanners motion Immediate? b Did Spanner get up?
In both cases we can assume the interpretation in Mr Lawrence's case was no! The only time I would argue a strict application of the rules (and that's exactly what this is as Ecky has so clearly explained) is if Mr Lawrence then goes on to interpret the rules more leniently in a later game, (ie if he calls a similar motion legal in another game)
This is not so different to many areas where refs are criticised by fans. In general, most fans can't argue with consistency, if the same guy makes the same call on both sides of the ball, consistently, then there's no issue there. Teams should now play Mr Lawrence as a ref who is particular about players being on their feet. If he continues to ref this way, FANTASTIC, the teams that like to play the game on the ground will suffer under his control and those who are skilled at playing and staying on their feet will thrive! If however he lets somebody who is knocked over but not tackled crawl to the line......then this becomes a bad call!
C'mon the
1) What do you mean he didn't have to get up? He had time to crawl/squirm towards the goal line. If only he spent some of that time standing up......
2) I don't care whether or not I'm over the line; I care about whether I can see the ball being grounded. And how it was grounded.
3) TMO in Perth club rugby is some way off - more distant than a rectangular stadium, I'd guess.... and players don't ask the ref to go to it, the ref decides.
4) Swearing in any grade.
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