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    Do we start a betting comp on how long till the Rebels become insolvent .............again?

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    So......fellow punters......how do you think Qld, NSW and the ACT will react to a possible imminent announcement by Rubgy Eastern Australia, that they have abolished the player Salary Cap for 2018?

    Timing would be odd......it would be announced after the MRRU have secured all of the high dollar ex Force players, and for Qld, after they had to let Genia go to the MRRU because they could not fit him within their existing Salary Cap, they will be crying for blood.

    Whoever has enough NOW cash will be the winner.......MRRU of course, the RA will want them to be successful to justify the mess they created.

    I dare say it will be on for young and old. How will RUPA react???

    Pretty good rumour.....

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    Giving you a heads up there are more submissions to be added.

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    https://www.change.org/p/rugby-australia-petition-for-cameron-clyne-to-resign-as-chairman-of-the-rugby-australia-board

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    Changed my mind, heard that the 17th is a better than good bet.....more sleeps!!!

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    Not from the email I just got

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    Link to Senate Report http://www.aph.gov.au/senate_ca

    https://www.change.org/p/rugby-australia-petition-for-cameron-clyne-to-resign-as-chairman-of-the-rugby-australia-board

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    I think it’s about time to throw something else at the FUARU. A class action for mass depression and see if we can get a lawyer no win no fee to take it on. From what the appeals judge alluded to about some possible unethical moves we may have a chance. Time for Fulvio to earn a crust!

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    May the FORCE be with you!

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    I want and need and prefer to believe you. Good goss on the abolishment of the Salary Cap tho

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    It makes perfect sense and matches what was reported in the Canberra Times a while back.

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    https://omny.fm/shows/the-alan-jones-breakfast-show/cameron-clyne

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    https://www.change.org/p/rugby-australia-petition-for-cameron-clyne-to-resign-as-chairman-of-the-rugby-australia-board

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    There are three items of correspondence up on the inquiry website

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...onal_Documents

    David Vaux is destroying de Clyne

    8. I have a very clear recollection of our telephone conversation. At the time I was
    visiting my daughter on the Sunshine Coast and I had to excuse myself from a small
    gathering to take the call from Mr Clyne. I also took some notes of key points. The
    following is a summary of my telephone conversation with Mr Clyne and
    subsequent events :
    a) Mr Clyne called at 2.22pm on Sunday 20 August 2017 and said to me that the
    process of determining an Australian team to drop from the Super Rugby
    Competition had been very, very difficult for him, and that he was personally
    very hurt by media commentary and comments by Andrew Forest about his
    role and the ARU’s approach. He had been warned not to do business with Mr
    Forest and told not to trust him. However, notwithstanding these feelings, he
    had been instructed by his board to make a “Without Prejudice” proposal. He
    said that the ARU would retain the Western Force in the Super Rugby
    Competition on the following conditions :
    (i) Mr Forest would underwrite the Western Force’s financial position for
    the remaining 3 years of the Broadcasting Agreements, and an
    additional 5 years which would arise from the next cycle of Broadcasting
    Agreements;
    (ii) The Western Force would receive equal funding from the ARU to the
    other 4 Australian Super Rugby teams;
    (iii) To compensate the ARU for having to continue to provide an ongoing
    $6m contribution to the Western Force, Mr Forest would provide
    funding to the ARU for grass roots rugby for $6m a year over the 3 + 5
    year period, $48m in total;
    (iv) Mr Forest would provide SANZAR compensation for the additional costs
    of going from 15 to 16 teams, namely $20m; and
    (v) If this proposal was agreed to, then Mr Clyne and the rest of the ARU
    board would resign and a new board would appoint the next CEO.

    I asked Mr Clyne to clarify why he felt the 8 year period was appropriate. He said
    that if the Western Force were to be retained, then it would naturally be a
    consequence that they would be retained for the next broadcasting cycle as well. I
    queried with Mr Clyne, the commerciality of including the additional 5 years, as it
    was highly likely that the structure and funding of the Super Rugby Competition
    would be materially different, hence, due to this uncertainty, it was an
    unreasonable demand. He was however adamant about the 8 year period.

    I informed Mr Clyne that I would present his proposal to representatives of Mr
    Forest and also to the RWA Chairman, Mr Tony Howarth. Our call concluded at
    2.49pm.
    I returned to my gathering and informed them that I needed to be excused to
    make some further calls, as I had just been speaking to Mr Clyne, and I wanted to
    pass onto my West Australian colleagues details of a proposal he had made. I
    expressed hope that a settlement might be possible.

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    Link to Senate Report http://www.aph.gov.au/senate_ca

    https://www.change.org/p/rugby-australia-petition-for-cameron-clyne-to-resign-as-chairman-of-the-rugby-australia-board

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    Quote Originally Posted by UAUdiver1959 View Post
    So......fellow punters......how do you think Qld, NSW and the ACT will react to a possible imminent announcement by Rubgy Eastern Australia, that they have abolished the player Salary Cap for 2018?

    Timing would be odd......it would be announced after the MRRU have secured all of the high dollar ex Force players, and for Qld, after they had to let Genia go to the MRRU because they could not fit him within their existing Salary Cap, they will be crying for blood.

    Whoever has enough NOW cash will be the winner.......MRRU of course, the RA will want them to be successful to justify the mess they created.

    I dare say it will be on for young and old. How will RUPA react???

    Pretty good rumour.....
    Maybe it’s time for the QRU and NSWRU to turn the screws on their mates at Rat’sArse HQ. If they don’t then the only conclusion I will be able to draw is that they’ve been given their own share of hush money.

    There is a lot riding on the outcome of the Senate hearing and what action it recommends be taken. Meanwhile, I’m off to buy a voodoo doll.

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    Maybe it’s time for the QRU and NSWRU to turn the screws on their mates at Rat’sArse HQ. If they don’t then the only conclusion I will be able to draw is that they’ve been given their own share of hush money.
    It will be most likely from NSW.

    Meanwhile I am on to John Edwards 26 page submission. Need to get Beer and popcorn.

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    Link to Senate Report http://www.aph.gov.au/senate_ca

    https://www.change.org/p/rugby-australia-petition-for-cameron-clyne-to-resign-as-chairman-of-the-rugby-australia-board

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNOB View Post
    I think it’s about time to throw something else at the FUARU. A class action for mass depression and see if we can get a lawyer no win no fee to take it on. From what the appeals judge alluded to about some possible unethical moves we may have a chance. Time for Fulvio to earn a crust!
    Whaaa...?

    They would say that due to ongoing legal matters they couldn’t reveal anything. Case over

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    Wow what a complete snake in the grass!!! An out an out liar!! What changed between that phone call and that infamous meeting in Adelaide! I'm all for a fan class action!! Seriously this has caused us so much misery!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakkies View Post
    There are three items of correspondence up on the inquiry website

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary...onal_Documents

    David Vaux is destroying de Clyne

    8. I have a very clear recollection of our telephone conversation. At the time I was
    visiting my daughter on the Sunshine Coast and I had to excuse myself from a small
    gathering to take the call from Mr Clyne. I also took some notes of key points. The
    following is a summary of my telephone conversation with Mr Clyne and
    subsequent events :
    a) Mr Clyne called at 2.22pm on Sunday 20 August 2017 and said to me that the
    process of determining an Australian team to drop from the Super Rugby
    Competition had been very, very difficult for him, and that he was personally
    very hurt by media commentary and comments by Andrew Forest about his
    role and the ARU’s approach. He had been warned not to do business with Mr
    Forest and told not to trust him. However, notwithstanding these feelings, he
    had been instructed by his board to make a “Without Prejudice” proposal. He
    said that the ARU would retain the Western Force in the Super Rugby
    Competition on the following conditions :
    (i) Mr Forest would underwrite the Western Force’s financial position for
    the remaining 3 years of the Broadcasting Agreements, and an
    additional 5 years which would arise from the next cycle of Broadcasting
    Agreements;
    (ii) The Western Force would receive equal funding from the ARU to the
    other 4 Australian Super Rugby teams;
    (iii) To compensate the ARU for having to continue to provide an ongoing
    $6m contribution to the Western Force, Mr Forest would provide
    funding to the ARU for grass roots rugby for $6m a year over the 3 + 5
    year period, $48m in total;
    (iv) Mr Forest would provide SANZAR compensation for the additional costs
    of going from 15 to 16 teams, namely $20m; and
    (v) If this proposal was agreed to, then Mr Clyne and the rest of the ARU
    board would resign and a new board would appoint the next CEO.

    I asked Mr Clyne to clarify why he felt the 8 year period was appropriate. He said
    that if the Western Force were to be retained, then it would naturally be a
    consequence that they would be retained for the next broadcasting cycle as well. I
    queried with Mr Clyne, the commerciality of including the additional 5 years, as it
    was highly likely that the structure and funding of the Super Rugby Competition
    would be materially different, hence, due to this uncertainty, it was an
    unreasonable demand. He was however adamant about the 8 year period.

    I informed Mr Clyne that I would present his proposal to representatives of Mr
    Forest and also to the RWA Chairman, Mr Tony Howarth. Our call concluded at
    2.49pm.
    I returned to my gathering and informed them that I needed to be excused to
    make some further calls, as I had just been speaking to Mr Clyne, and I wanted to
    pass onto my West Australian colleagues details of a proposal he had made. I
    expressed hope that a settlement might be possible.
    That backs up 100% what John Welborn said in his testimony to the hearing. And shows Clyne to be the untrustworthy, out and out liar we all know he is.

    I’m glad he felt hurt. He deserved to feel totally and utterly denigrated.

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    I wonder if they have dirt on who told de Clyne not to trust Twiggy or is it just a voice in his deluded head?

    John Edwards has provided the Senate timelines, forecasts, figures that the ARU denied they had received.

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