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Some fair points and I agree the Reds management in the past is substantially to blame - though to be fair, they have worked hard at turning that around, but must presently feel they are fighting a losing battle. It may well be different when they start winning again - confidence breeds success and this produces a better product for market. But the wages are an issue and must be addressed, because like it or not, four teams in the Australian market stretches things very thin, and a disproportionate payment to a few favoured players make player retention at the other end very difficult. I agree that it is wise not to bag the Reds alone because this is a problem across the board - at the moment the Force are enjoying some success but there are dangerous signs at present that the earlier success this year may be fools gold. If their season collapses and next year aint too good either, they are at risk of being in far worse shape then the Reds - who at least have a rich junior asset base as you state.