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Pretty much the same score as they beat them by last year, I think the two guys from Joondalup hardly played in the 2nd half. I think they showed up at Joondalup as under 15's so it's a bit of a long bow to say Joondalup developed them in any way. Also I think Wests or Uni beat Joondalup last season by around the same score, for me it also reflects on how seriously they take they're U18s, you may want to go through the last few years results and see the performances if you doubt it.