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I'd have to agree Drew. The only position where I think the Force A have put in a surprising challenge for firsts is at 13 I wonder whether CTM is better than Junior. Of course, there's nothing to compare them on directly, but CTM has looked bloody good in the games I've seen (yes, admittedly not even close to SR standard) whereas Junior hasn't thrilled me out of my pants at any level yet (Except that one run and offload where he made Higgers look silly ;-)