JOONDALUP 1STS TO PLAY 2ND GRADE NEXT YEAR?

[Hansie]

IMHO

No innovative ideas will work until we have a strict code of conduct or MOU signed off by all Presidents of ALL clubs that is aimed at creating a pathway to the Wallabies for our players.

Each President should have each other's contact details and perhaps get together once per month to cover aspects to improve the competition as a whole, discuss issues such as mercenary players, visiting teams, EWF attendances and initiatives.

Work together off the field to make the competition on the field that much more entertaining.

[RumourMonger]

IMHO

What does this stand for Hansie? I'm a Homo?

[Hansie]

In My Humble Opinion.

[RumourMonger]

Phew! Thank God for that.

For a moment I thought you might be batting for the other side!

[RugbyRef]

What does this stand for Hansie? I'm a Homo?

Sometimes I think your posts are quite funny, sometimes informative from a rumour point of view. Other times they are just uncalled for and offensive, like this time.

Was too hard to just ask what it stood for without the insult?

[brokendown gunfighter]

I'm a Homo

you just outed yourself RM

[Political BS]

Thanks Zed,
I think we are not too far apart on this in our opinions. The Challenge system went in because the Districts Clubs wanted an opportunity to challenge. (I admit to being at the RWA meeting with clubs where it was discussed and I opposed the proposals for a relegation challenge.) They also requested that it was played after the Grand Finals by which time the Prem Club had been out of action for four weeks.
RWA came up with a system of testing the relative strengths of the Clubs involved. You now say it was unfair cause Wanneroo had a team and a bunch of Golden Oldies. That was what you wanted to replace a Premier Club with?? The test of relative Club strengths was about ensuring the challenging Club was stronger than the Prem Club being relegated. Lets not forget that Wanneroo was in the District Comp because the Club fell over a few years previously which gave Rocky their opportunity in Prems. Who knew what the future held for Wanneroo or ARKS or indeed for Rocky and Leeming/Southern Lions.
If Wanneroo and Leeming/Southern Lions had been playing in a 3 grade Championship back then with a Cup comp against Prem opposition they would have been much better prepared for the relegation challenge and maybe even stood a chance.
Presently there is no point playing Champ 1s against Prem 1sts because of the enormous gap in standard. In three years from now that possibly would change to a situation in which the Cup Comp gets played between Prem 1s and Champ 1s because of improving standards in the Champ teams. Then you have a viable basis for a conversation about promotion and relegation.
At the moment its all just so much more hot air because the gap in standard ie quality of talent and numbers of players, is not so much a gap as it is something of Grand Canyon proportions.

[Action Hardcore]

Sometimes I think your posts are quite funny, sometimes informative from a rumour point of view. Other times they are just uncalled for and offensive, like this time.

Was too hard to just ask what it stood for without the insult?

We've got a live one!

[RumourMonger]

you just outed yourself RM

Now, why did I know you were going to do that BDG?

[RumourMonger]

Sometimes I think your posts are quite funny, sometimes informative from a rumour point of view. Other times they are just uncalled for and offensive, like this time.

Was too hard to just ask what it stood for without the insult?

I didn't ask for your opinion Rugby Ref.

PS There is no "Pause" in the engagement sequence any more. Get yourself up to date.

PPS You sound like you've found Hansie's soap box - get rid of it otherwise big units like Action Hardcore will be on your case.

[RumourMonger]

PBS; the Cup Competition needs some teeth. Its a great innovation by Rugby WA and should be persevered with and refined.

Premier Clubs need to take it seriously because there's some premiership points or relegation prospects hanging off the back of it. Or just some plain old decent prize money.

[BillyGOAT]

Presently there is no point playing Champ 1s against Prem 1sts because of the enormous gap in standard. In three years from now that possibly would change to a situation in which the Cup Comp gets played between Prem 1s and Champ 1s because of improving standards in the Champ teams. Then you have a viable basis for a conversation about promotion and relegation.
At the moment its all just so much more hot air because the gap in standard ie quality of talent and numbers of players, is not so much a gap as it is something of Grand Canyon proportions.

you may be correct in your "grand canyon" comment, but if its such a sure thing then why not give the champ teams a go. its not going to hurt a prem or champ team to have one more game at the end of the season.

[goony]

its not going to hurt a prem or champ team to have one more game at the end of the season.

Getting hardly any ball and defending for most of the game whilst the opposition runs in try after try would hurt... There is a very large gap billygoat, I'm not sure if you are aware of how large but maybe watch a prem game and you might get more of an idea.
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[BillyGOAT]

Getting hardly any ball and defending for most of the game whilst the opposition runs in try after try would hurt... There is a very large gap billygoat, I'm not sure if you are aware of how large but maybe watch a prem game and you might get more of an idea.
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i have played games against quality opposition for a team that wasn't in the same dimension as the opposing team back home, and from my experience, fitness is the biggest difference. its amazing what a game like this can do for a lower grade club.

sometimes score isn't as important as the occasion is, for some people, they may never play a game like that ever again. a cup comp will not bring the same out of the teams involved.

[RumourMonger]

Mr Goat,

Understand your sentiment however the Premier 1st Grade teams are larger, stronger, fitter, faster and more skilled than a District team will ever be. Many of the players have played professional, semi-professional and representative rugby. Go and watch some Premier rugby next weekend and I think you'll agree.

Premier coaches will not risk their players in games like these as they see them as semi social and that's when guys tend to get damaged.

If the Cup Comp had more meaning to all teams (eg the FA Cup in England where a Div 3 club might have a crack at say Arsenal) then it would be worthwhile.

Previously the promotion relegation games were held after the season and many of the players had gone into hibernation so the games were not reflective of the true standard. The Prem clubs still won easily with a mixed bunch of players.

In UK the lower Premier team club is automatically relegated and the highest 2nd division club is promoted at the end of the season. How would that work here?