Sorry SB. Not up with all the code names.
Judas v2.0?
JOC = Judas v1.0Originally Posted by wholetruth
RG = Judas 2.0 (was Braindead Dick)
technically Judas Iscariot is v1.0, so the others should be 2 and 3 lol.
Anyway they all took their 30 pieces of silver
And although I'm glad they are both gone, they are still backstabbers
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Ah now i understand.
For a start Graham insisted on recruiting outside backs. Most of who were inexperienced.
He even used our marquee spot for one.
Now that's all very well if you have the inside backs to get the ball to them. And of course have a game plan that gets it to them
And don't forget it was him who decided to cut O'Connor. OK so he was a poor influence on the side and a petulant child but just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you cut off your nose etc.
Like many otherrs I am also suspicuious about the Geniagate Affair. No proof of course but he was involved in discussions when he was planning to head to the Reds.
Make your own mind up on that one
Graham was, and continues to be, very prickly on social media if anyone said anything negative about the motives behind his move to the Reds or the way in which he engineered it. I am suspicious by nature, but am particularly suspicious about him in the light of those interactions.
And it has crossed my mind in the past that JOC would have been happy to stay with the Force - on his own terms of course, and at a salary of his choosing - but I think he was definitely wrong-footed when the Force pulled the rug. He wasn't expecting that I don't think.
The Perth franchise has not fared especially well
by: Wayne Smith
From:The Australian
October 13, 201212:00AM
HAVING overseen the almost complete overhaul of the Super Rugby team's coaching staff, Western Force chief executive officer Vern Reid announced yesterday he would not be seeking a new contract.
Reid, who has held the role since 2009, will continue to work with RugbyWA until a new chief executive is appointed, hopefully before the end of the year.
On the face of it, the Perth franchise has not fared especially well during the Reid era, winning only 18 matches out of 58, with three draws over the past four seasons, but it would have to be said the force was never with it, with another seven matches lost by no more than a penalty goal.
Worse, the club has been blighted by a horrendous injury toll over the past three seasons.
"You can work really hard and get fantastic results or you can work just as hard and things just don't fall for you," said Reid philosophically.
"But the same effort goes in," he said.
But after the Force played most of last season under interim coach Phil Blake after head coach Richard Graham was stood down following his announcement that he was heading to the Queensland Reds, Reid has assembled a formidable staff for the 2013 season.
This year's Waratahs boss Michael Foley has been brought in as head coach, along with former Bath coach Steve Meehan, Reds strategist Philip Fowler and former Wallabies and Waratahs team manager Chris Webb, who will oversee the franchise's entire professional program.
Nick Stiles will continue as forwards coach.
As well, Reid has overseen the recruitment of an impressive array of new playing talent, with former All Black halfback Alby Mathewson coming on as the club's marquee player and Cheetahs flyhalf Sias Ebersohn as its foreign development player. While the halves have been boosted, so too have the centres, with the signings of former NRL player Chris Tuatara-Morrison and Australian sevens representative Junior Rasolea.
And while it's arguable there is no way they could adequately replace last season's captain, David Pocock, they have still managed to recruit a quality seven by luring Chris Alcock from the Waratahs.
"And we are still hoping to recruit a second foreign development player," said Reid.
Prickly!. And so he should be. He probably wants it all to go away. We should keep the pressure on at all times. Let's face it he was gone at the end of the year but the way he did it made the season a whole lot harder.
Do you think RG is more to blame than Reid for the shambles that was the past couple of seasons, Wholetruth?
No. As CEO he has the final say on anything that doesn't require a full board vote. Or of he delegated, he delegates to the wrong people. Which is still his fault
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The buck stops with him. But the problem we fans really have is with the team, the playing department, not the business. It appears that rested solely in the hands of RG.
Verns problem is the board improperly appointed RG, and then let him run rampant without checks and balances
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He would have been guided on player signings by Graham and others including Mitch Hardy, who by the way recommended the re-signing of David Harvey. That says a lot doesn't it. There were plenty of bemused looks and laughter on the eastern seaboard when that happened.
Financially the club is still OK so Vern seems to have done a reasonable job there.
Yup, the eastern seaboard and recruiting. They never do anything to get bemused looks and laughter from the western seaboard. Like signing Rocky Elsom from Brumbies, and making him capt. Or losing Hooper to Tahs. GeniaGate anyone??
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Speaking of which;what's the latest goss re the salary cap ground hire rorting, anyone heard? Things have gone very quiet on that front. Bottom of the harbour job??
"The main difference between playing League and Union is that now I get my hangovers on Monday instead of Sunday - Tom David
IMHO blame and responsibility are two different things. It's RGs fault, but that doesn't absolve Vern of responsibility. He is (was) the boss after all
C'mon the
Fair point
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