Foley Dumped

[MI5_Dog]

These sorts of things were, unfortunately, inevitable.
A new coach doesn't want the old coach hanging around. A new coach will be looking to the future. The ARU will want to use the Force as a feeder to the Wallabies.
We, as fans, don't get to have it both ways. We can't say "We want everything to stay the same but we want the team to win!". That's just naive.
Matt is the heart and soul of the Force. He, more than any other player, IS the Force.
It was inevitable that in a clean sweep of the players and coaching staff that Matt would be 'encouraged' to take his European retirement.
I hate to see him leave, but if he does I hope he makes a shit load of money in Europe or Japan and comes back to the Force as a coach.

[whodunnit]

Foley could not have carried on next year, but surly 1 month is not going to make much difference to change.
What the force have now is players playing for foley and not the assistants. Weird!!!
Sinderberry and foley can't be mates!

[jono]

would anyone of significant stature be interested in coaching the force? The ARU would need to make it worthwhile by throwing a fair amount of Benjamin's at said coach and emphasising a blank cheque in terms of coaching staff and recruitment.

Would think that link or fisher would be the best options, not sure how realistic that is though.

We don't have a blank cheque in regards to recruitment though - as far as player payments go.

[zed]

Professional sport anywhere is results driven.I for one am happy to see the back of Stonefish unlike all the people who were bagging the crap out of him 6 weeks ago and who are now all feigning shock horror.
He ain't the only one going folks so stay tuned.Clean out needed to happen.
Kitchen Sink Blackadder Throw Anyone.

It doesn't matter what coach you get, the Force will continue to bimble around on the bottom of the table until the main issue is addressed and that is getting a high number of quality players. We are recruiting guys who were in their prime 5 years ago, guys playing club rugby in country NSW, guys like JOC, who are motivated by money and won't in all likelihood give 110% on the pitch and then we get upset when they lose! What do you expect is going to happen. We have 2 guys in the Wallabies 39 man squad, 2 that's it.. and we are playing teams that have 17, 18+ internationals in their squad. Even those warming the bench have int caps, whereas ours were playing down in Kalamunda the week before in front of a crowd of 32.

[MI5_Dog]

.. We have 2 guys in the Wallabies 39 man squad, 2 that's it..

How about 3 in the match day 23?

Wallabies team to play England
1. James Slipper
2. Stephen Moore (c)
3. Sekope Kepu
4. Rory Arnold
5. Sam Carter
6. Scott Fardy
7. Michael Hooper (vc)
8. Sean McMahon
9. Nick Phipps
10. Bernard Foley
11. Rob Horne (vc)
12. Samu Kerevi
13. Tevita Kuridrani
14. Dane Haylett-Petty
15. Israel Folau
Replacements
16. Tatafu Polota-Nau
17. Toby Smith
18. Greg Holmes
19. Dean Mumm
20. Ben McCalman
21. Nick Frisby
22. Christian Lealiifano
23. Luke Morahan

[G_Beard]

Mistakenly thought the ARU taken over would be good for the Force, the 'help' that has been accepted may just be the knife that will cut the throat of super level rugby union in Perth.

[StimpsonJCat]

Mistakenly thought the ARU taken over would be good for the Force, the 'help' that has been accepted may just be the knife that will cut the throat of super level rugby union in Perth.

How do you mean?

[Jules]

So much negativity! Let's give them a chance before we start tearing them down.. I desperately want a force team in WA and am happy to see them try and change things for the better!!

[GIGS20]

If that's how the Captain is being treated then how does that leave the other players who have no assurred future beyond 2016?
They include:

Chris Heiberg

Depends upon who would replace him, but I suspect he's not really up to the standard we want.

Guy Millar

See Heiberg

Nathan Charles

I'm not so sure about Cheese, he's been a bit off the pace this season and has suffered a couple of big injuries recently. I'd look to keep him unless something better comes along.

Heath Tessman

We need to keep at least one of our starting Hookers, Heath is the one I'd go with if one had to go.

Angus Cottrell

Keep

Chris Alcock

Hodgo can't leave, but if he does, we need a good 7...Alcock is only being kept out of the starting side by Hodgo and injury

Kane Koteka

Young, WA, Good, it's a no brainer isn't it?

Alby Mathewson

Past his prime, move on

Kyle Godwin

As long as he can recapture the form that shows his potential. Has stagnated over the last 2 years.

Ammon Matuatu

Haven't seen enough at the right level to judge

Albert Nikoro

See Matuatu

Luke Morahan

Must keep, the only bloke who has started regularly with genuine pace. Also links instinctively with Jono Lance

Brad Lacey

See Koteka

Many of these are very marketable players with a good future.

Personally, I don't think Hodgo could be sacked without losing at least half the members and sponsors. After being kicked in the teeth with results for 10 seasons, and losing 2 coaches in a row before the end of their contracts, there needs to be some loyalty shown somewhere and Hodgo is the beating heart of this team.

[Alison]

How on earth do they plan to "improve the Force without detracting from the competitiveness of the others"?????!!!! Isn't that exactly what we've been struggling with for the past 11 years??!

[vulcan]

In melbourne for the test so far since i left the coach has got the push and now the captain and best player for a couple of years looks set to follow Wtf
Thanks Foles as far as lm concerned agreat bloke and coach for what he was given l hope this has a happy ending

[Tazzmania]

How on earth do they plan to "improve the Force without detracting from the competitiveness of the others"?????!!!! Isn't that exactly what we've been struggling with for the past 11 years??!

The plan is to boost our squad with players that are not incumbents at other franchises, and struggling for regular game time like Jono Lance. These would be players of a higher calibre than we have had before to make it viable. Come 2018 it expected a number of players may decide to return to Australia to put themselves in line for a world cup call up in 2019.

All stakeholders realise that becoming competitive is the catalyst to solving most of our issues.

[chibi]

On Nathan Charles, I sincerely hope the guy is doing OK. I am concerned his illness might be starting to creep up on him. I really hope that's not the case.

[MI5_Dog]

Brett McKay seems to understand the situation

from http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/06/17...ts-bench-spot/

Foley move could force Reds’ hand
If there’s one organisation that didn’t need yesterday’s news that Michael Foley’s time with the Western Force was up, it may well be the Queensland Reds.
In the middle of their own process to name a head coach for 2017 – we presume, there have been no real updates – the Queensland Rugby Union may now find themselves having to conclude their process sooner just to be sure they get the coach they really want.
A really interesting situation now exists, in which the ARU desperately need to find the best possible coach available to take over in Perth. It means they could, in effect, be competing with the Queensland Rugby Union for candidates.
Current co-interim head coaches Nick Stiles and Matt O’Connor could well be enticed to apply for the Force job, either as a fall-back position or even to force the Queensland Rugby Union’s hand. Stiles was an assistant at the Force before returning to Ballymore in 2014.
And wouldn’t it cause a stir if the Reds’ preferred candidate knocked them back because the ARU tabled a better offer to coach the Force? Cue the conspiracy theorists!

[jono]

Stiles can stay at the Reds.