The (Southern) Lions Don't Sleep At Night

[GIGS20]

Is a red card offence also an automatic suspension from the judiciary Zim?

I also remember hearing something like that before. (I would assume the red card would have to be upheld, but in junior club rugby I can't see how it could be overturned, there's no video is there?)

[pruc]

Is a red card offence also an automatic suspension from the judiciary Zim?

I also remember hearing something like that before. (I would assume the red card would have to be upheld, but in junior club rugby I can't see how it could be overturned, there's no video is there?)

yes automatic card. some 18s games may be filmed but that is a rare case.

[zimeric]

3. CODE OF CONDUCT
All participants in the game are bound:
h. not to abuse, threaten or intimidate a referee, Assistant Referee, or other match official, whether no or off the field,
or a selector, coach manager or other team official;
===

4. ALLEGED BREACHES OF THE CODE
Where a Rugby Body is notified by a participant, or for any other reason believes, that a participant under its jurisdiction may have acted in breach of the Code, it must, in a timely manner, notify:
a. the participant in respect of whom a breach has been alleged;
b. the relevant Committee,
c. the State Union; and
d. the ARU,
of the nature of the alleged breach.

Subject to clauses 8 and 9 the Committee:
a. must investigate the alleged breach of the Code;
b. may impose a disciplinary measure, in accordance with the Guidelines, taking into account any relevant
aggravating or mitigating circumstances; and
c. must prepare a written statement of it factual findings, decision and reasons and provide copies of that statement
to:
I. the participant in respect of whom a breach has been alleged;
II. the relevant Rugby Body;
III. the State Union; and
IV. the ARU.

[Ecky]

must have been some good abuse for a red...

Yeah, nah, any abuse should get a red card. Even the crap abuse, let alone the good stuff.

RugbyWA directive.

Imho the main problem with U/18 folk is that their testorterone levels tend to cloud their judgement and, even though they have been told what the competition rules are, they simply can't help themselves on occasion.

'tis a shame that, in some teams/clubs/schools, the coach is the one setting the bad example.

[zimeric]

red card does not necessarily get automatic suspension - eg foul play or double yellows etc.

in senior rugby all red carded players are automatically put to the judiciary.. this is not the case for Juniors. Only code of conduct issues are dealt with by the judiciary.

in the case above, the red card was for abuse of the referee and is a breach of the code of conduct. (alleged)

[GIGS20]

red card does not necessarily get automatic suspension - eg foul play or double yellows etc.

in senior rugby all red carded players are automatically put to the judiciary.. this is not the case for Juniors. Only code of conduct issues are dealt with by the judiciary.

in the case above, the red card was for abuse of the referee and is a breach of the code of conduct. (alleged)

Thanks for the clarity mate

[fulvio sammut]

I said I'd keep you informed of the washout of this story. The Union's response to Palmyra amounts to "Don't worry about it".

We weren't.

[GIGS20]

That's a bloody letdown Fulv. I was hoping for another couple of weeks of you ranting about how Paly have been rogered by the system yet again.

[fulvio sammut]

Bastards.

[rick boyd]

Southern Lions, Leeming whatever you want to call them really seem to have a chip on each shoulder about Palmyra.

What's the history of this?

The Palmyra club opposed the formation of the Leeming club, as it was then. I was at the WARU Council meeting that approved accepting the new club into the competition and there were heated words on both sides.

I have to say that I saw both sides of the argument and while it would have been nice if the two organisations could have worked together, that was never going to happen.

Rugby is a democratic institution, of a sort, and I'd hate the governing body to be dictating to enthusiastic individuals that they couldn't form a club to further rugby in their area.

On the other hand, small clubs springing up all over the place just dilutes available resources, not only in player numbers but the all-important volunteers, facilities, sponsorships etc. It would be much more manageable and efficient if these enthusiastic individuals joined an established club. Really, the Leeming people should have joined in with Palmyra.

I quite understand Palmyra not wanting another club starting up in what they regarded as their catchment area, but once the lines in the sand were drawn then the whole debate became polarised and the two outfits were never going to get along. A shame all round.

[GIGS20]

Bastards.

us or them?

The Palmyra club opposed ....I quite understand Palmyra not wanting another club starting up in what they regarded as their catchment area, but once the lines in the sand were drawn then the whole debate became polarised and the two outfits were never going to get along. A shame all round.

fun to watch but!

[Darkness]

Thanks for the explanation Rick. It would appear you are to blame!!

Interesting that these emotions have stood the test of time.

I understand that two current Lions Committee members (inc the President) have sons playing for other clubs U18 teams ie Perth Bayswater and Cottesloe. Bit strange when Lions has an U18 team - aren't Lions good enough? They have certainly gone a long way to avoid "the old enemy".

You would think that Palmyra would be the logical pathway ie nearest Premier Grade Club. Something strange going on there.

I gather there are historical issues between a number of local clubs probably mainly over catchment area rivalries and various breakaway groups ie Uni / Soaks, Cottesloe / Soaks, Joondalup / Wanneroo, Rocky / Mandurah, ARKS / Kala, Wests / Neddies, Curtin / Uni, etc. Human nature presumably.

Why does everyone seem to hate Soaks?

[fulvio sammut]

You lot, Gigs.

[palitu]

Curtin is not really close at all to Uni...

[GIGS20]

Yes, but I see the connection, both universities......Unfortunately, I think Uni rugby club draws more from geography than from the student body, otherwise they've got some bloody smart under 6s running around this state.

Not so sure about Curtin, but given the amount I hear about them I'd suggest they're much smaller and much more student-focussed.