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    GIGS' RWC 2023 predictions

    Well, this is it.

    20,000 posts up and Todd4 requested something thought provoking and detailed, so instead of my usual shouting ignorance at you all and taking the piss out of X, I thought I'd try and do something useful. Looking into my crystal ball (sounds dirty) and predicting every Wallabies game of RWC 2023 just for a laugh (and so you lot can hang unlimited shit upon me when I get everything completely wrong.

    Step 1: the Touring Squad
    Now, please note, this is a prediction, not an endorsement. I'm going to try to guess all the moves Eddie will make (or be forced to make) not the players I'd pick. Squad size is 33 for World Cup. I'm going to try and ignore injuries, because current injuries might be rehabilitated in time and some blokes who are currently locked in might miss due to injuries that haven't occurred yet. I'm also predicting that Eddie will be successful in having the Giteau Cap lifted to 5 since we're in a World Cup year (and stuff like that has happened before)

    Angus Bell
    Dave Porecki - Waratahs
    Taniela Tupou - Reds
    James Slipper - Brumbies
    Folau Faingaa - Force
    Alan Alaalatoa - Brumbies
    Nick Frost - Brumbies
    Caderyn Neville - Brumbies
    Richie Arnold - Giteau
    Jed Holloway - Waratahs
    Michael Hooper - Waratahs
    Langi Gleeson - Waratahs
    Rob Valetini - Brumbies
    Pete Samu - Brumbies
    Fraser McReight - Reds
    Tom Hooper - Brumbies
    Nic White - Brumbies
    Ryan Lonergan - Brumbies
    Jake Gordon - Waratahs
    Quade Cooper - Giteau
    Ben Donaldson - Waratahs
    Samu Kerevi - Giteau
    Len Ikitau - Brumbies
    Lalakai Foketi - Waratahs
    Isaiah Perese - Waratahs
    Marika Koroibete - Giteau
    Andrew Kellaway - Rebels
    Mark Nawaqanitawase - Waratahs
    Max Jorgenson - Waratahs
    Tom Wright - Brumbies
    Reece Hodge - Rebels
    Lachie Lonergan - Brumbies
    Tom Banks - Giteau

    I think this is pretty close, two full teams with some backup in the specialist areas of 2 and 9, no backup required for 7, where McReight will likely only get minutes against tacklebags. Heavily focused upon his favourite Super Rugby team, but that'll only dominate the 50-50 selections because Eddie might be biased, but he's not an idiot. (I might just be wrong about Donaldson, but I picked him because he's a good Randwick boy and I think that'll tip the scales for Eddie.

    Game One - Aus vs Geo 10 Sept Stade de France
    Lineup - well I think Georgia will suffer badly through being the first cab off the rank and Eddie not having a lot of rugby into the team yet. Yes there'll be some speculative selections, however for the most part, Eddie will name a strong team to build cohesion and get minutes into the legs of his fringe players by substituting early. Expect to see Tupou for a bunch of minutes, Gleeson off the pine early and the likes of Donaldson etc being assessed in this game.

    The game will clearly go as planned, but we'll see at least a few problems in the Wallabies lineup that need sorting on the field. Georgia (if they're smart) will attack the Wallabies set piece and try to play the ball on the floor as much as they can.

    Result Australia by several (let's call it 4 tries) but not the blowout everybody's expecting because Eddie will have pulled some wrong reins in selection due to his obsession with NSW rugby.

    Game 2 - Aus vs Fiji 17 Sept Geoffroy-Guichard
    Lineup - since we now march onto the first real test of RWC for the Wallabies, Eddie will continue to name a strong team, but have a bit more information about who is up to the standard and who will gel best. Expect to see combinations in the front row (likely Alalatoa, Faingaa, Slipper to start) and the best options he can find in the back 5. Eddie will go big in the backs for Fiji, so options such as Kerevi not negotiable at 12, Hodge on the bench, Banks to fullback etc.

    The game will be close for much of it, with Australia trying to play tight, but due to their size, not being able to really cope with the clash of styles and the Fijian offload game. Fiji will enter the last 20 within sight of taking it out, but ultimately fall short due to fitness.

    Game 3 - Wales vs Aus 25 Sept Groupama Stadium
    The Wallabies will come into this match high on their own press knowing that Wales is in even more shit than they are. Eddie will mess with the selections, throwing some surprises into the mix. Expect to see Jorgensen get his crack (because the kid is quick and a bloody good rugby player) and possibly some other fun ones like Tupou starting and Holloway in 6 (where I think he should be)

    This will be one of those games where they'll get smacked in the mouth early as Wales have finally rediscovered how to play Warrenball again and the arrogant selections of some blokes above their ability/experience will bear fruit in the wrong direction. Wales will be coming of a loos to Fiji, where they learned a lot and a big win over Portugal where they gained some confidence. At the end of the day, Wales, even with Gatland at the helm are genuinely a bigger disaster than the Wallabies and they'll be in the changerooms after the game lamenting the fact that they're undoubtedly the best team in the world at losing rugby games.

    Australia by 2 off a kick after the siren.

    Game 4 - Australia vs Portugal 1 Oct Geoffroy-Guichard
    The Wallabies will return to this weirdly named stadium full of piss and vinegar after a lucky last minute win against the hapless Taffies. They'll be thinking about their 3-zip record and name ALL of their fringe players to get some game time into them. The Giteau boys will get a rest (apart from Arnold, who'll start a game for the first time in the tournament) and the finishers will consist of whoever is lowest on the totem pole amongst the regular first 15.

    This will go pear shaped, and Aus will struggle to put the lowly europeans to the sword, never playing convincing rugby but still winning it by 21.

    That's the pools done and dusted, with the Wallabies on a 4-0 record without having played a single opponent of any real quality (and having only just fallen over the line against both Fiji and Wales)

    Into the knockout rounds, I need to have a guess at the other pools so

    Pool A
    First - France
    Second - New Zealand

    Pool B
    First - Ireland
    Second - South Africa

    Pool C
    First - Wallabies
    Second - Fiji

    Pool D
    First - England
    Second - Argentina

    That sets up the following Quarter Finals

    QF 1 Wallabies vs Argentina 14 Oct Stade de Marseille
    QF 2 Ireland vs New Zealand 14 Oct Stade de France - oooooh, close one. Foster in charge and recent form prompts me to pick Ireland
    QF 3 England vs Fiji 15 Oct Stade de Marseille - England will squeak through
    QF 4 France vs South Africa 15 Oct Stade de France - France will win this convincingly, South African fans will throw the ref on a braii

    Wallabies vs Argentina 14 Oct Stade de Marseille
    Since this will be the first actually challenging game for the chocolate soldiers, they'll make sure all stops are pulled out for it. Every top contender will be picked in their correct position, Eddie will no longer be stuffing around, apart from playing bullshit games with the press and baiting Cheika through the press. Eddie will win the battle of wits and Argentina will suffer for it. Eddie will taunt Cheika into playing exactly the game he wants and Australia needs and the Aussies will take the chocolates on the back of Argentine errors and discipline which can be traced directly back to the fact that Cheika is dumb and arrogant. This won't be a win to be proud of, but the Aussie Rugby press will se it to paper over the cracks in the Aussie team pretending that they're world beaters for at least another week.

    This means the Semi Finals will be
    SF 1 Wallabies vs Ireland 20 Oct Stade de France
    SF 2 England vs France 21 Oc Stade de France

    Wallabies vs Ireland 20 Oct Stade de France
    OK, by this stage, the Aussie rugby press will be fizzing at the bung. After getting to the Semi Finals of Rugby World Cup undefeated, the Wallabies will be touted as the next dynasty in international rugby. Mediocre players will be pushed as superstars of the game and the Golden age of Rugby in Australia will have clearly begun.

    Eddie will name his strongest possible side for this one, knowing that Ireland actually deserve some respect, but he will come armed with the confidence that the Wallabies ALSO beat the All Blacks in a Bledisloe game earlier this year (there's a bonus prediction for you, Fossie will also bottle a Bled match, but will retain the cup by playing one of the two games at Eden Park)

    The press rhetoric and Eddie's best efforts to build a team with confidence, quality and a playing style that can win world cups will crash headlong into reality as they play the only genuine tier one team so far this World Cup. It'll be messy, It'll be a train wreck, It'll be entirely expected.

    The Wallabies will bow out in the semis, to raucous cheers of how well they did, pundits suggesting that those results make them better than the All Blacks and the Springboks but the realists will know the truth.

    France and Ireland will meet a week later to battle out a match worthy of the title World Cup Final with the winner being decided by HOME GROUND ADVANTAGE! (ie multiple replays of a pretty close to legal tackle causing the crowd to hoot, holler and whistle and getting somebody sent off)

    so that's it

    20,000 down

    Was it everything you expected Todd or was it just a lot more of the same bullshit!

    GIGS out

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    Firstly, Congrats on the 20k and having the staying power to waffle shit with the rest of us 20K posters (checks notes, yes I am in there).

    Secondly, you make a bold assumption that Ireland will actually get past a quarter final at RWC. Although I think NZ will literally burn to the ground if Foster loses a QF



    Edit: Bet you Joseph Suaalii will be in the squad if he gets a release from the Chooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    Firstly, Congrats on the 20k and having the staying power to waffle shit with the rest of us 20K posters (checks notes, yes I am in there).

    Secondly, you make a bold assumption that Ireland will actually get past a quarter final at RWC. Although I think NZ will literally burn to the ground if Foster loses a QF



    Edit: Bet you Joseph Suaalii will be in the squad if he gets a release from the Chooks.
    Ireland making it to the semis is my pick purely based upon the fact that Fossie is coaching and they'll be fugged.

    and Suaalii has to be behind Vunivalu in the pecking order. I didn't pick Vunivalu purely based upon the fact that he's not playing for the Tahs ... and he's pretty shit at his job. By that metric, Suaalii is locked in

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    I predict Burgs will come out of early retirement just to piss you two off.

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    Congrats on the 20,000 Gigs. Well done on a damn fine post. I hadn't paid much attention to the World Cup pools. We really have been blessed, but as you implied it can sometimes be a banana skin to have an apparent easy run through the pools only to come crashing down in the knockout stage to a team like Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    I predict Burgs will come out of early retirement just to piss you two off.
    Spoke to Burgs the other day.

    He is doing really well.

    Having some dramas with the Business he and his family are running. So very busy at the moment.

    Unlikely he will make a TWF comeback anytime in the near future. But, never say never.

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    Wrist injury blow to Petaia's Rugby World Cup bid
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    May 11, 2023 1:26PM

    Jordan Petaia's Rugby World Cup hopes have suffered a blow after he underwent surgery to repair a ligament injury in his wrist, ruling him out of the rest of the Super Rugby Pacific season.

    The Queensland Reds winger or fullback has been in career-best form this season to force his way into Eddie Jones' Wallabies selection plans despite the great depth in those positions.

    But, having finally enjoyed a clean run of health after constant injuries, Petaia has been struck down again.

    The 23-year-old had surgery on Thursday, the Reds confirming to AAP he will not feature again in a season that includes four more regular-season games and possible finals.

    The full recovery time is yet to be confirmed but at the very least it leaves Petaia battling to be fit for the Wallabies' first Test since Jones' return, in just eight weeks against South Africa in Pretoria.

    The Wallabies then play Tests in Sydney (July 15) against Argentina and then New Zealand in Melbourne and Dunedin on July 29 and August 5 before leaving for the World Cup in France.

    Petaia debuted at the 2019 World Cup, starring as a 19-year-old in a win over Uruguay.

    He then made history by becoming the youngest player to start a World Cup game at inside centre, in the quarter-final loss to England.

    Since then his run has been curbed by a variety of injuries, but he still slowly morphed into a potent fullback option for Brad Thorn's Reds.

    Petaia was concussed in the opening minutes when handed a start in the Wallabies' No.15 jersey last year in what appeared to be a short-lived experiment.

    But he's been one of the Reds' best in a battling season, his powerful ball-running, booming boot, safe hands and crunching defence ensuring he demanded consideration again.

    This latest setback opens the door further for rival fullbacks in the Brumbies' Tom Wright, Melbourne's Andrew Kellaway and Japan-based Tom Banks, who were all part of Jones' extended squad last month.

    There is also a long, strong list of players vying for wing berths.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/ru...bid-c-10620659

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    To be fair, I paid Jordan Petaia zero attention when preparing Eddie's World Cup squad. I thought about Vunivalu, but rejected him and didn't even think about Petiaia.

    To justify that, when I read that sentence back, I sound a lot like Eddie Jones, so I'm going to double down on the Decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post
    Ireland making it to the semis is my pick purely based upon the fact that Fossie is coaching and they'll be fugged.

    and Suaalii has to be behind Vunivalu in the pecking order. I didn't pick Vunivalu purely based upon the fact that he's not playing for the Tahs ... and he's pretty shit at his job. By that metric, Suaalii is locked in
    You think any form of pecking order will apply to Rugby Australia's new million dollar prodigy?

    Rugby Australia will be like my 1 year old whenever we buy him a new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    Firstly, Congrats on the 20k and having the staying power to waffle shit with the rest of us 20K posters (checks notes, yes I am in there).

    Secondly, you make a bold assumption that Ireland will actually get past a quarter final at RWC. Although I think NZ will literally burn to the ground if Foster loses a QF



    Edit: Bet you Joseph Suaalii will be in the squad if he gets a release from the Chooks.
    Another thing,

    Either way, we'll be toast in the Semis and France will win based upon their ability to convince a director to appropriately lose the vision of Jelonch stomping Damien MacKenzie's hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by jargan83 View Post
    You think any form of pecking order will apply to Rugby Australia's new million dollar prodigy?
    Some are still mentioning him in Origin contention. ATM it would seem that were it not for injuries, he could have found himself in State Cup this week learning to not resemble a turnstile.

    P.S. I hope that sentiment doesn't make me one of those horrible Mungo bullies.

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    My thoughts to RA ….. Take a look at Roger Tuivasa- Scheck and worry….eggs in basket comes to mind …,

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsetal06 View Post
    My thoughts to RA ….. Take a look at Roger Tuivasa- Scheck and worry….eggs in basket comes to mind …,
    A bit different. RTS was reportedy taking a huge pay cut. He was 28 and always wanted to go back to Rugby at some stage. Missed his first NPC due to covid, has been used in an unfamiliar position and been dogged by injury. Yet has still made a good fist of 12 at Super Rugby level. Good enough for the likes of John Kirwan & Mils Muliana to say he may still make RWC selection because of his versatility to cover 12 - 15. He is one of the best RL outside backs NZ has ever produced. He was an instant success at the Chooks despite being so fresh from Rugby that he chased down a kick to touch looking for a quick throw-in. Sualii OTOH has been signed for a fortune purely on potential. Caveat emptor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIGS20 View Post

    Step 1: the Touring Squad


    Angus Bell
    Dave Porecki - Waratahs
    Taniela Tupou - Reds
    James Slipper - Brumbies
    Folau Faingaa - Force
    Alan Alaalatoa - Brumbies
    Nick Frost - Brumbies
    Caderyn Neville - Brumbies
    Richie Arnold - Giteau
    Jed Holloway - Waratahs
    Michael Hooper - Waratahs
    Langi Gleeson - Waratahs
    Rob Valetini - Brumbies
    Pete Samu - Brumbies
    Fraser McReight - Reds
    Tom Hooper - Brumbies
    Nic White - Brumbies
    Ryan Lonergan - Brumbies
    Jake Gordon - Waratahs
    Quade Cooper - Giteau
    Ben Donaldson - Waratahs
    Samu Kerevi - Giteau
    Len Ikitau - Brumbies
    Lalakai Foketi - Waratahs
    Isaiah Perese - Waratahs
    Marika Koroibete - Giteau
    Andrew Kellaway - Rebels
    Mark Nawaqanitawase - Waratahs
    Max Jorgenson - Waratahs
    Tom Wright - Brumbies
    Reece Hodge - Rebels
    Lachie Lonergan - Brumbies
    Tom Banks - Giteau
    Cheers for starting the debate, I know you have played on Eddie's bias but these would be the differences I would be expecting;


    IN

    - Carter Gordon
    - Bernard Foley
    - Tate McDermott
    - Rob Leota
    - Reece Hodge
    - Jordan Petaia (ignoring injury)
    - Will Skelton (he is 100% definite)
    - Pone Fa'amusili (definite - you need 6 props not 4)
    - Tom Robertson (hopefully)


    OUT

    - Jake Gordon (Tate better)
    - Folau Faingaa (wishful thinking from you I think)
    - Caderyn Neville
    - Tom Banks (no chance) Hodge preferred and can potential be third #10 and play vs Portugal
    - Lachie Lonergan (too small)
    - Richie Arnold
    - Tom Hooper (Leota ahead I think)
    - Perese (out for Petaiaa)
    - Donaldson no way - Carter Gordon well ahead
    - Might not be room for Jorgensen either and Samu may miss out if both McReight and Gleeson picked

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    Was chatting with a mate at the ground last night and we had the RWC pools and knock out stage in front of us.

    Ireland and France are in the same side of the draw - best stage they can meet is the Semi's.

    Wallabies would most likely meet England in the Semis.

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