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    Super 14 : Road to the play-offs

    Talk about a race that is wide open. The results in Round 10 mean that, mathematically, 13 of the 14 teams still have a chance of reaching the play-offs.

    Now, we all know that is stretching it, but what is more interesting is how the top end of the competition in shaping up.

    The top four teams have all lost three times already. It is worth noting that six times in the 13 years since inception of the professional era, the team ultimately winning the Super 12/14 had lost three of their league matches.

    Another fact worth taking note of is that when the Bulls won their title in 2007, they had lost four league matches that year.

    Now, back to the present.

    It is going to be one hell of a run in to the play-offs, simply because so many of the big guns still have to play each other.

    It all starts with the top-of-the-table Chiefs against the third-placed Bulls in Pretoria this week. And then the Chiefs also still face the fourth-placed Hurricanes a few weeks down the road.

    The Sharks, currently second, have a bye this week and then have to face the Waratahs and Bulls in the coming weeks.

    And so it goes on. Needless to say, a few teams are going to knock each out of the race in the last month of league action and - once again - it may go down to the wire, the last week of league action on May 15 and 16.

    It may well come down to the very last league match of the season, when the Sharks host the Bulls in Durban on May 16, to sort out the final places.

    So, let's take a look at what's in stall for each of the 14 teams!

    Chiefs:
    Current position: 1st
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 2: Stormers, Cape Town
    May 9: v Hurricanes, Hamilton
    May 15: v Brumbies, Hamilton

    Sharks:
    Current position: 2nd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24/25: Bye
    May 2: v Highlanders, Durban
    May 9: v Waratahs, Durban
    May 16: v Bulls, Durban

    Bulls:
    Current position: 3rd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Chiefs, Pretoria
    May 2: v Force, Pretoria
    May 9: v Cheetahs, Pretoria
    May 16: v Sharks, Durban

    Hurricanes:
    Current position: 4th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Brumbies, Wellington
    May 1: v Blues, Wellington
    May 9: v Chiefs, Hamilton
    May 16: v Reds, Brisbane

    Blues:
    Current position: 5th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Reds, Albany
    May 1: v Hurricanes, Wellington
    May 9: v Brumbies, Canberra
    May 16: v Crusaders, Auckland

    Waratahs:
    Current position: 6th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24/25: Bye
    May 1: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein
    May 9: v Sharks, Durban
    May 15: v Lions, Johannesburg

    Brumbies:
    Current position: 7th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Hurricanes, Wellington
    May 2: v Reds, Brisbane
    May 9: v Blues, Canberra
    May 15: v Chiefs, Hamilton

    Crusaders:
    Current position: 8th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein
    May 1: v Lions, Johannesburg
    May 8: v Reds, Christchurch
    May 16: v Blues, Auckland

    Force:
    Current position: 9th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24: v Lions, Perth
    May 2: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 9: v Stormers, Cape Town
    May 16: v Highlanders, Perth


    Highlanders:
    Current position: 10th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24: v Stormers, Dunedin
    May 2: v Sharks, Durban
    May 8: v Lions, Johannesburg
    May 16: v Force, Perth

    Lions:
    Current position: 11th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24: v Force, Perth
    May 1: v Crusaders, Johannesburg
    May 8: v Highlanders, Johannesburg
    May 15: v Waratahs, Johannesburg

    Stormers:
    Current position: 12th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24: v Highlanders, Dunedin
    May 2: v Chiefs, Cape Town
    May 9: v Force, Cape Town
    May 16: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein

    Reds:
    Current position: 13th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Blues, Albany
    May 2: v Brumbies, Brisbane
    May 8: v Crusaders, Christchurch
    May 16: v Hurricanes, Brisbane

    Cheetahs:
    Current position: 14
    Best possible finish: 7th
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Crusaders, Bloemfontein
    May 1: v Waratahs, Bloemfontein
    May 9: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 16: v Stormers, Bloemfontein

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    Well at a quick count, I ended up with the following results come semi final time…

    Crusaders 42
    Chiefs 41
    Sharks 39
    Bulls 38

    Hurricanes 38
    Brumbies 36
    Waratahs 36
    Blues 34
    Force 32


    Certainly this is just unadulterated crystal ball gazing… Loosely based on current team form home and away advantage and the odd bonus point if the team has been picking them up every now and then…

    And the Crusaders winning all their 4 matches… The Blues in Auckland are the only ones who could possibly stop them giving the Chiefs a home final perhaps…

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    play off's???? please this isn't the super bowl we're talking about.. leave the phrase play off's to that sepo of ours Larry

    Finals !

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    Going by some of these matches ups coming after this weekends up sets the semis are still wide open for the Australian teams... Many top teams still having to play each other especially the NZ teams and Sharks Bulls in week 14... I've adjusted the order from Andys first post... However its looking like it could be a NZ final if the Hurricanes defeat the Chiefs week 13...


    Hurricanes:
    Current position: 1st were 4th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Brumbies, Wellington WON
    May 1: v Blues, Wellington
    May 9: v Chiefs, Hamilton
    May 16: v Reds, Brisbane

    Bulls:
    Current position: 2nd were 3rd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Chiefs, Pretoria WON
    May 2: v Force, Pretoria
    May 9: v Cheetahs, Pretoria
    May 16: v Sharks, Durban

    Chiefs:
    Current position: 3rd were 1st
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Bulls, Pretoria LOST
    May 2: Stormers, Cape Town
    May 9: v Hurricanes, Hamilton
    May 15: v Brumbies, Hamilton

    Sharks:
    Current position: 4th were 2nd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24/25: Bye
    May 2: v Highlanders, Durban
    May 9: v Waratahs, Durban
    May 16: v Bulls, Durban

    Blues:
    Current position: 5th were 5th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Reds, Albany LOST +2 bonus points
    May 1: v Hurricanes, Wellington
    May 9: v Brumbies, Canberra
    May 16: v Crusaders, Auckland

    Force:
    Current position: 6th were 9th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24: v Lions, Perth WON
    May 2: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 9: v Stormers, Cape Town
    May 16: v Highlanders, Perth

    Waratahs:
    Current position: 7th were 6th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    April 24/25: Bye
    May 1: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein
    May 9: v Sharks, Durban
    May 15: v Lions, Johannesburg

    Crusaders:
    Current position: 8th were 8th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein LOST
    May 1: v Lions, Johannesburg
    May 8: v Reds, Christchurch
    May 16: v Blues, Auckland

    Brumbies:
    Current position: 9th were 7th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    April 25: v Hurricanes, Wellington LOST
    May 2: v Reds, Brisbane
    May 9: v Blues, Canberra
    May 15: v Chiefs, Hamilton

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    I want the Cheetahs to down the Tahs next week... A lot... Please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by robyn <3 View Post
    I want the Cheetahs to down the Tahs next week... A lot... Please...
    Waste of a wish. Focus on the Force beating the Bulls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Waste of a wish. Focus on the Force beating the Bulls.
    Sorry. I wish for the force to win instead

    But if I get 2 wishes my next one would be the Cheetahs to thrash the Waratahs!

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    Ok I have been doing some research for possible finals in NZ, which I will be going to if we make it.

    There is a bus that can take us directly from Auckland International Airport to Hamilton if we play the Chiefs. I am hoping that we play Saturday...We are only 2 points from the finals with three games left. The results went in our favour on Saturday Night. I am daring to dream! Lol

    Might head to the Rosemount Hotel next Saturday Night for the game against the Bulls.

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    I've changed my mind, I want the Waratahs to win so that instead of having to go overseas for the final (which I have no chance of doing) I can just go to Sydney, which I can and probably would do! What would be BETTER was if we got us a home game but I'll settle for Sydney as second best... Go the tahs

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    Quote Originally Posted by robyn <3 View Post
    I've changed my mind, I want the Waratahs to win so that instead of having to go overseas for the final (which I have no chance of doing) I can just go to Sydney, which I can and probably would do! What would be BETTER was if we got us a home game but I'll settle for Sydney as second best... Go the tahs
    If both the Force and Tahs won the final three then the Force would get the home final (depending on other results) so you wouldn't have to go to Sydney anyway.

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    Depends on the bonus point situation as welll..

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    Eight teams in Super 14 title race

    April 26, 2009 - 4:49PM

    The 2009 Super 14 is an unofficial lottery after another round of shocks, despair and record-setting rugby across the southern hemisphere.

    The Hurricanes soared to the top of the ladder with a 56-7 demolition of the injury-ravaged Brumbies in Wellington as the Western Force emerged as the most likely Australian side to squeeze into the playoffs.

    The Force climbed from ninth to sixth with their 55-14 bonus-point triumph over the Lions at Subiaco Oval on Friday night.

    Not even confirmation that Wallaby Drew Mitchell was heading to the Waratahs next season could dampen the spirit of the Force, who ran in eight tries to post their highest score and biggest-ever win.

    The victory was just the tonic ahead of the Force's make-or-break tour of South Africa.

    The Force realistically need to topple the second-placed Bulls in Pretoria on Saturday and then the unpredictable but out-of-contention Stormers in Cape Town before returning to Perth for a last-round encounter with the Highlanders.

    "It's an intriguing competition so we are still alive, but we can only take it one game at a time," Force coach John Mitchell said.

    The Force are likely to welcome back influential No.8 Richard Brown from an ankle injury for the crunch game with the Bulls and will no doubt be feeling better about their finals prospects than the Brumbies, who slumped to ninth after suffering their worst-ever Super defeat.

    The Brumbies' heavy loss raised the stakes for Saturday night's derby with Queensland, who will fancy their chances after pulling off the upset of the season in Auckland on Saturday.

    The Reds placed the Brumbies on high alert when they snapped a three-year, 20-match road drought with a stunning 31-24 win over the Blues.

    "We've got some question-asking to happen over the course of the next few days," Brumbies coach Andy Friend said.

    "The Reds have obviously done pretty well to go to Auckland and have that win and it will lift their confidence and they will be a formidable side next week.

    "We need to pick ourselves up after that loss and make sure we're ready."

    Friend said there was "every chance" the Brumbies would regain the services of key backs Gene Fairbanks and Mark Gerrard.

    "We will wait and see on the medicals on Monday," he said.

    Despite the heavy loss, the Brumbies are still very much in the playoff hunt with just seven points separating the top eight teams entering the final three rounds.

    Nostradamus would struggle to predict the final make-up of the top four.

    In a complete reshuffle at the top over the weekend, the Bulls moved to second and relegated the Chiefs from first to third when they broke the New Zealanders' six-match winning streak with a 33-27 home success on Sunday morning Australian time.

    The Sharks dropped from second to fourth and the NSW Waratahs from sixth to seventh as they enjoyed the last two byes of the tournament.

    The Waratahs, with four losses from their last six games, will resume their faltering campaign on Saturday against the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein.

    They probably need to become the first overseas team to win three Super matches in South Africa in a season to be secure of a finals berth.

    The last-placed Cheetahs will be anything but pushovers after putting a massive dent in the Crusaders' playoff hopes with a 20-13 boilover.

    The unexpected win ended the Crusaders' five-match winning streak and left the defending champions in eighth spot, four points adrift of the four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan View Post
    Depends on the bonus point situation as welll..
    This is true of course but what is the likely hood of the Tahs getting 4 try bonus points on the road. They can't even do it in Sydney

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    Hurricanes:
    Current position: 1st
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 12th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Blues, Wellington
    May 9: v Chiefs, Hamilton
    May 16: v Reds, Brisbane

    Bulls:
    Current position: 2nd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 12th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Force, Pretoria
    May 9: v Cheetahs, Pretoria
    May 16: v Sharks, Durban

    Chiefs:
    Current position: 3rd
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: Stormers, Cape Town
    May 9: v Hurricanes, Hamilton
    May 15: v Brumbies, Hamilton

    Sharks:
    Current position: 4th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Highlanders, Durban
    May 9: v Waratahs, Durban
    May 16: v Bulls, Durban

    Blues:
    Current position: 5th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Hurricanes, Wellington
    May 9: v Brumbies, Canberra
    May 16: v Crusaders, Auckland

    Western Force:
    Current position: 6th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 9: v Stormers, Cape Town
    May 16: v Highlanders, Perth

    Waratahs:
    Current position: 7th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein
    May 9: v Sharks, Durban
    May 15: v Lions, Johannesburg

    Crusaders:
    Current position: 8th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Lions, Johannesburg
    May 8: v Reds, Christchurch
    May 16: v Blues, Auckland

    Brumbies:
    Current position: 9th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 13th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Reds, Brisbane
    May 9: v Blues, Canberra
    May 15: v Chiefs, Hamilton

    Highlanders:
    Current position: 10th
    Best possible finish: 1st
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Sharks, Durban
    May 8: v Lions, Johannesburg
    May 16: v Force, Perth

    Stormers:
    Current position: 11th
    Best possible finish: 2nd
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Chiefs, Cape Town
    May 9: v Force, Cape Town
    May 16: v Cheetahs, Bloemfontein

    Lions:
    Current position: 12th
    Best possible finish: 2nd
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Crusaders, Johannesburg
    May 8: v Highlanders, Johannesburg
    May 15: v Waratahs, Johannesburg

    Reds:
    Current position: 13th
    Best possible finish: 4th
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    May 2: v Brumbies, Brisbane
    May 8: v Crusaders, Christchurch
    May 16: v Hurricanes, Brisbane

    Cheetahs:
    Current position: 14
    Best possible finish: 10th
    Worst possible finish: 14th
    Remaining matches:
    May 1: v Waratahs, Bloemfontein
    May 9: v Bulls, Pretoria
    May 16: v Stormers, Bloemfontein

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